lossing my position on google
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:17 pm
now i am at position 21 at kyw hot naked girls. and i whas at position 9
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If google considers your site to be quality/authority than yes in a few months you'll go back up.ghiocmarius wrote:will be back on position 9 or higher ?
Don't worry about it. You'll get on Google list higher and lower as well in the future. It's normal.ghiocmarius wrote:now i am at position 21 at kyw hot naked girls. and i whas at position 9
I'm not an SEO expert by any means but one thing I know for a fact is that Google hates any kind of change. Even changes for the better, G hates. I've been dropped for removing popunders, cleaning up tags, whatever.anexsia wrote:It's very normal as others have said. The one thing I really hate is when I update an old blog that's getting good traffic and Google decides to cut the traffic in half as soon as I update and it takes a few months to get the traffic back.
Seems that way! I got one of those messages in Google Webmaster Tools that says "Congratulations! Your site has had a significant traffic increase!" so I'm like hey let me throw in a few updates then! 2 days later...traffic drops 50% I've noticed that after awhile the traffic comes back and usually with more...but not always!luxv66 wrote:I'm not an SEO expert by any means but one thing I know for a fact is that Google hates any kind of change. Even changes for the better, G hates. I've been dropped for removing popunders, cleaning up tags, whatever.anexsia wrote:It's very normal as others have said. The one thing I really hate is when I update an old blog that's getting good traffic and Google decides to cut the traffic in half as soon as I update and it takes a few months to get the traffic back.
Same heresabyc200 wrote:I never use Google Webmaster Tools or Google Analytics... it's like letting the enemy into your house ! I use other tracking software.
This specific point is hard to believe. I never noticed it in the past and to double check I downloaded my raw logfile and carefully checked into it. There are always some weird things, but nothing of what you're talking about.sexsite69 wrote:It will test your links for possible variations. If you look at your logs you'll see tons of 404's from Google testing to see if you have hidden pages or directories. It will try your canonical urls and it will also try your archive urls even if you haven't linked to them directly. It might also try to append all sorts of query strings to see if your pages are dynamic...
It seems that there is someone talking sense in here, you couldn't be more right my man.sabyc200 wrote:I never use Google Webmaster Tools or Google Analytics... it's like letting the enemy into your house ! I use other tracking software. As soon as I dropped GWT and GA i've seen an increase in traffic.
Yup! I had a site with around 250 pages of unique, handwritten content without a single affiliate link that took a nose dive in October 2010, so that was pre-Panda. Couldn't figure out what the hell the problem was, then I read something - think it was on seowatch - about a guy who removed a couple of sites from Webmaster Tools after they'd been Pandalised. The sites regained their traffic within a couple of weeks. Did the same with mine and it's almost back to where it was.seomedia wrote:It seems that there is someone talking sense in here, you couldn't be more right my man.sabyc200 wrote:I never use Google Webmaster Tools or Google Analytics... it's like letting the enemy into your house ! I use other tracking software. As soon as I dropped GWT and GA i've seen an increase in traffic.
However once you have them inside the site through the front door the damage is hard to repair.
The time limit is more or less what you're stating and clients don't want to wait 6 to 12 months for a natural re-serp of their site. So there are also a few cleaning stages, to find your print on Google, then to remove them one at the time. What I'm saying today can change in 30 minutes. Google has changed direct course 13 times already this year and a total of 192 micro-moves since Nov 2011. It's a Russian roulette, where Google has all blanks in their gun and we don't. The best way but it is a time lagger is to have 2 sites/blogs/tubes with similar (not identical) content and layouts and make the moves with them first, this is usually done by a 2 or more man team and is usually preformed for large sites, but if you have the time and the money you can do it yourself.deejay wrote:Yup! I had a site with around 250 pages of unique, handwritten content without a single affiliate link that took a nose dive in October 2010, so that was pre-Panda. Couldn't figure out what the hell the problem was, then I read something - think it was on seowatch - about a guy who removed a couple of sites from Webmaster Tools after they'd been Pandalised. The sites regained their traffic within a couple of weeks. Did the same with mine and it's almost back to where it was.seomedia wrote:It seems that there is someone talking sense in here, you couldn't be more right my man.sabyc200 wrote:I never use Google Webmaster Tools or Google Analytics... it's like letting the enemy into your house ! I use other tracking software. As soon as I dropped GWT and GA i've seen an increase in traffic.
However once you have them inside the site through the front door the damage is hard to repair.
That's taken 8 - 9 months, but there was no work involved other than one click to remove the site from Webmaster Tools. So it's worth a try, although patience has proved to be a virtue
I believe it's related to wordpress sites. I haven't seen it on other sites. For example, if G identifies your site as wordpress it will automatically try certain things that are inherent to wordpress such as /tag/ , /page/ , /2012/ , etc. So even if you don't have that in your sitemap or your internal links, the bot will still try and access that data. (Unless you block it)fetishbank wrote:This specific point is hard to believe. I never noticed it in the past and to double check I downloaded my raw logfile and carefully checked into it. There are always some weird things, but nothing of what you're talking about.sexsite69 wrote:It will test your links for possible variations. If you look at your logs you'll see tons of 404's from Google testing to see if you have hidden pages or directories. It will try your canonical urls and it will also try your archive urls even if you haven't linked to them directly. It might also try to append all sorts of query strings to see if your pages are dynamic...
It would be interesting to reverse-dns one of those spiders who claims to be a googlebot and see where it comes from....
Wouldn't disagree with any of that.seomedia wrote:The time limit is more or less what you're stating and clients don't want to wait 6 to 12 months for a natural re-serp of their site. So there are also a few cleaning stages, to find your print on Google, then to remove them one at the time. What I'm saying today can change in 30 minutes. Google has changed direct course 13 times already this year and a total of 192 micro-moves since Nov 2011. It's a Russian roulette, where Google has all blanks in their gun and we don't. The best way but it is a time lagger is to have 2 sites/blogs/tubes with similar (not identical) content and layouts and make the moves with them first, this is usually done by a 2 or more man team and is usually preformed for large sites, but if you have the time and the money you can do it yourself.
That sounds about right. Archives, author pages and search strings all appear in Webmaster Tools for some - although not all - Wordpress sites. That happens even when they haven't been included in a site map and, in the case of search strings, when all search fields have been removed.sexsite69 wrote:I believe it's related to wordpress sites. I haven't seen it on other sites. For example, if G identifies your site as wordpress it will automatically try certain things that are inherent to wordpress such as /tag/ , /page/ , /2012/ , etc. So even if you don't have that in your sitemap or your internal links, the bot will still try and access that data. (Unless you block it)
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Totally agree, there are lot of other sources we can focus on, while google fix their issues. Right now google is an untrusted source you can be at 1st position today and tomorrow you will wake up at third page or even worst not only happen to brand new sites nor wordpress installations it also happen with well established sites. I've heard some of my friends got into a dancing for keywords that they have been ranking top 1 in google about 4 years now. Also Matt cutts has stated that their were recently removing manually some sites involved in blog networks. Also there are other changes related to ads space on the sites that were released last month that can bann you from the search results. And it seem they will keep making some new changes that will "improve" user experience. Meaning of this if your site will not be save anymore it does not matter if is a solid one or a new one. Google sucks they really don't care about end users just make a search for new york escorts, and you will get lot of google maps result on top of organic search this is on google.com global now if you use a proxy you will have ads + google maps on top of the organic results this means they prioritize their own apps on search results this is only for locations related keywords, other thing you may notice is that youtube videos gets better serp than a sites that's has been well optimized both on page and off page optimization plus lot of incoming links wondering why? Simple google owns it. I was wondering start using youtube as a network making ton of videos and linking it each other from different accounts It might help me to drive more traffic to my sites. I haven't do it yet because a lack of time but I will try to make it after hours and I will let you know the results maybe this can be a solution or a new way to got traffic and some how it will help to rank better.deejay wrote:Wouldn't disagree with any of that.seomedia wrote:The time limit is more or less what you're stating and clients don't want to wait 6 to 12 months for a natural re-serp of their site. So there are also a few cleaning stages, to find your print on Google, then to remove them one at the time. What I'm saying today can change in 30 minutes. Google has changed direct course 13 times already this year and a total of 192 micro-moves since Nov 2011. It's a Russian roulette, where Google has all blanks in their gun and we don't. The best way but it is a time lagger is to have 2 sites/blogs/tubes with similar (not identical) content and layouts and make the moves with them first, this is usually done by a 2 or more man team and is usually preformed for large sites, but if you have the time and the money you can do it yourself.
Targeting the same keyword with more than one site has always been a sensible strategy. But the best is probably to forget about Google and focus on building new traffic sources. The current situation with them is a total piss take and there is plenty of other sources out there.
That said, if you're working for clients, the obsession with Google is something you'll need to come to terms with. Good luck!
Possible reasons why Google doesn't currently love your site:RickDiculous wrote:How can adding a new post to you blog be considered as "change" ? Doesn't Google like fresh new content?
I'd have to take a closer look at your setup but it sounds like Google detected a change in the frequency of your posts and inbound links. The issue may also be with outbound links from your site. For example, if you accidentally link to a page that is "known" for malware. PM me if you would like me to have a peek at what's going on with your site.RickDiculous wrote: Just hired a writer to do more posts and a guy to set up more trades and this made most of my SERPS drop like crazy.
If you're using wordpress check out slimstat. Has some nice features like logging outbound clicks without setting up event tracking.PornGuy wrote:So for those of you who have dropped Analytics etc. whats the best to use.
Statcounter is free, easy to install and does an OK job. It's similar to AWstats but has exit link tracking, which is useful.PornGuy wrote:So for those of you who have dropped Analytics etc. whats the best to use. I would prefer free but can pay if its worth it.
You are so right.greenguy wrote:Just to show you that PR really doesn't mean much, you had a top 10 listing with a PR0 and now you can't be found with a PR4
Yeah.ghiocmarius wrote:I am back in top 10 for hot naked girls and hot naked girl. Top 20 for naked girls
If you're doing just that - making quality sites for surfers - you're going to stay ahead of the game.wraith wrote:On a side note, if it doesn't disappear... then I'd like to know why I've been bothering to make quality, handwritten stuff for when it's become obvious it's a complete waste of time and gets pushed aside by BS sites like this......
Personally I use Clicky Web Analytics for non wordpress sites, maybe you should check it.PornGuy wrote:Maybe someone can suggest something similar for non wp sites?