Linkspun / Tradespun / Jdoughs Update Thread

Hincapie · Post by **Hincapie** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:47 pm

Thank you so much for keeping thing floating Drocd!
Maybe the spree of donation should be aimed towards reimbursing you for your efforts.

Maccsta · Post by **Maccsta** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:39 pm

drocd wrote:PR checker should be working now.

Great work, thanks!

axkrap · Post by **axkrap** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:40 am

He<s the man

korkelt · Post by **korkelt** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:01 pm

SO WHERE IS JDOUGHS? thats the real interesting question?!?!?!

nudegames · Post by **nudegames** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:56 am

any updates on whats going on?

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:29 pm

Jdoughs is still not responding to anyone pretty much.

LinkSpun was set up to continue even if he wasn't here to run it.

LinkSpun is always going to exist in one form or another because of his forethought and the continued dedication of a few key players.

To those who've helped put the final touches on LinkSpun always continuing, a big thanks to you all!

xxxjay · Post by **xxxjay** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:08 pm

Last I heard from Jdoughs, he was trying to buy my network under the guise of it was him when it was really datinggold i think trying to buy it. I know he has a faomily, lives in canada, and is generally a responsible guy.

This surprises me, I've done good biz with him in the past

Yngwie · Post by **Yngwie** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:51 pm

xxxjay wrote:Last I heard from Jdoughs, he was trying to buy my network under the guise of it was him when it was really datinggold i think trying to buy it. I know he has a faomily, lives in canada, and is generally a responsible guy.

This surprises me, I've done good biz with him in the past

He lived in Sudbury up until a few years ago then he moved to Cobalt from what he last told me. I used to hang out with him a lot when he lived in Sudbury. He is a very responsible guy so this is why it worries me that he has not been around for so long. He would NEVER just leave something and not let anyone know about it.

kimnguyen · Post by **kimnguyen** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:38 am

PornGuy wrote:TB fell apart not because of wanting/needing to charge but because they let the system fall apart.

If you can not afford to pay 10$ a month for the assistance that this site gives you, then simply put you are doing something wrong.

Totally True. If it was not for drocd we would be in trouble with things like the PR Checker.

This is how FREE systems go down. T-Ball went down because the owner was a fucking asshole and straight up DITCHED the system ( it had not been updated in like 4 years anyway ).

Then JD comes in and acts like he's some kind of olympic champion for running linkspun past the abandoned t-ball. It's easy to win a 1 car race. But, they always finish the same way so when JD started this place I was as relieved as everyone else. But still, I was like - I hope it lasts.

It's been 6 months and 6 pages on this thread and if JD was going to speak on this - he would have by now to. But more likely he has come to the same conclusion t-ball did: it's not worth it. Those banner ADs don't pay shit and the economy is way worse than when t-ball got dumped.

And for all you FUCKs that don't want to pay shit not even $10... you best reverse that frame of mind and make JD feel appreciated so he will keep this place running.

Post by **drocd** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:33 pm

UPDATE

In an effort to show their on-going support, Amerinoc has re-granted me server access so I can maintain the community as needed. They have reassured me that they are 100% supportive of Linkspun and are looking to 'protect it' for when and if Jdoughs returns. That is my intention as well, as it is not my site. I am extremely busy these days, but I will do what I can to help maintain the site and address important bug fixes.

Please keep trading as normal. There's no reason to run for the hills.

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:43 pm

kimnguyen wrote:
PornGuy wrote:TB fell apart not because of wanting/needing to charge but because they let the system fall apart.

If you can not afford to pay 10$ a month for the assistance that this site gives you, then simply put you are doing something wrong.
Totally True. If it was not for drocd we would be in trouble with things like the PR Checker.

This is how FREE systems go down. T-Ball went down because the owner was a fucking asshole and straight up DITCHED the system ( it had not been updated in like 4 years anyway ).

Then JD comes in and acts like he's some kind of olympic champion for running linkspun past the abandoned t-ball. It's easy to win a 1 car race. But, they always finish the same way so when JD started this place I was as relieved as everyone else. But still, I was like - I hope it lasts.

It's been 6 months and 6 pages on this thread and if JD was going to speak on this - he would have by now to. But more likely he has come to the same conclusion t-ball did: it's not worth it. Those banner ADs don't pay shit and the economy is way worse than when t-ball got dumped.

And for all you FUCKs that don't want to pay shit not even $10... you best reverse that frame of mind and make JD feel appreciated so he will keep this place running.

Actually, it wasn't a one car race... TB was bought by Evress or some shit and then failed again...

As for breaking open the wallet to make JD feel appreciated, he didn't leave because of that. He left pretty much all adult stuff entirely. I have seen some of his mainstream sites drop too so it seems he left the Internet entirely. Which means this didn't have anything to do with money or not feeling appreciated.

The banner ads do pay for shit. They alone paid for Drocd to code the site. They also pay for the sites hosting.

Not attacking you at all. Just making some clarifications. I know your overall feeling is that you enjoy Linkspun and want to see it continue. It will. That was how it was designed. Now that Drocd has server access to LinkSpun.com and Amerinoc has pledged their full support you can be rest assured that LinkSpun will be here as long as the industry needs its services.

Just about the only thing I can think of that might change in Jdoughs absence is that we may have donations set up to give Drocd some love since JD isn't here to pay him or sell more banners, or collect payments on the banners that have expired.

But for now... enjoy!

kimnguyen · Post by **kimnguyen** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:59 pm

vrocks wrote: Not attacking you at all. Just making some clarifications.

The banner ads do pay for shit. They alone paid for Drocd to code the site. They also pay for the sites hosting.

No offense taken, I know what your saying,

When I said they don't pay for shit I meant they don't pay as much as they used to. I knew the guy that sold the banners for TB (peeperpimp I think was his handel) and they ranged from 450 to 1200 per month. But of course that was before TB fell apart. Now you can get banners for like 1/5th that price.

I think the bottom line is that the owners get bored, retire, or bail on the industry. Nothing lasts forever. Perhaps JD will sell LS to drocd so he will have more of a stake in the matter to continue it.

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:31 pm

TB was some sweet money for the owner... Had he made the updates about 5 of us asked for about 100 more people would have gladly paid $10 a month for the advanced features and the updates. Between the banner ads and the paying customers TB was a cash cow that required little to no work. The programmer did all of the "real" work...

But since he didn't make those changes, and for that reason only, JD created LS. He got tired of paying for a service and not receiving any updates to LARGE problems, like PR checker not working, www. being stripped off of new URL's, etc, JD decided to create this site and added functions TB didn't have. He has always wanted this portion to be free. He didn't make LS to be a cash cow. He made it to do its job and do it well without costing him money. It all worked out well.

JD is having large personal issues that are affecting his time. He did't abandon adult, mainstream or the Internet. He simply has things he has to do off of the Internet that need to get handled without distractions.

Thinking back on our conversations before he left... He tried numerous times to buy TB and offered what I thought were outrageous prices for it. He simply wanted to re-code the site into what LS is now and then import the trades so everyone is happy. But the owner had a big head. Too much ego... Too many memories of what banner prices could get him in the past and what TB was before it tanked... Mr Bond ended up selling it anyway for much less than JD offered him.

So sad...

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:46 pm

Post by **drocd** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:44 pm

vrocks wrote:

Let's add one more to the mix there:

kimnguyen · Post by **kimnguyen** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:03 am

vrocks wrote: JD is having large personal issues that are affecting his time. He did't abandon adult, mainstream or the Internet. He simply has things he has to do off of the Internet that need to get handled without distractions.

Bond ended up selling it anyway for much less than JD offered him.

Yeah that shit happens... but for 6 Months now? Regardless of the reasons, it's the same result as TB (Nobody home except for drocd) JD could at least drop us a line in this thread - we're talking 6 months and even drocd can't get a response from him.

Bond was an asshole. He diched the site basically giving an unoffical "Fuck You" to everyone. TB had been abandoned for like 1.5 years. Alica was around but not really and was kina a bitch. Then LS finally launched and there were some nasty fights at GFY. All I can remember is JD going off about

"I'm the Nailer in your sites coffin"
"I'm the Nailer in your sites coffin"
"I'm the Nailer in your sites coffin"

He was a broken record with that shit and as of right now, for all we know, JD is in a coffin. What bond did was shitty. But right now LS is heading in the same direction.

I guarantee you: Unless someone starts having a real interest in this place and something to Gain, it's going to die. People are only charatable for so long.

All these people want EVERYTHING for Fuckin Free. It's actually insulting some of the messages I've seen. People are all supportive and cheering JD on and on in the forums. But all that slams into a stone rock face when it comes to financial support. People bitching about $10/Month.

I know it's not you vRocks but I'm sure you've seen those messages. I think one is in this thread "I don't want to be forced to pay $1" and I'm not going to bother to dig up who said it. But it's usually the free fucks at thumblogger/sensualwriter.

They all act like their making money yet complain about $10 here?

Hincapie · Post by **Hincapie** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:23 am

If anyone has any contact with JD ... a solution could be for one/more of us going in as partners (along with Drocd if he wants) - thus keeping steering hands, developing the site and its income streams etc and mainly just ensuring a steady future. And the model would also assure that JD could step back in as active partner when he has his issues sorted ... but of course, it takes contact & arrangements to be possible.

PornGuy · Post by **PornGuy** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:50 pm

Hincapie wrote:If anyone has any contact with JD ... a solution could be for one/more of us going in as partners (along with Drocd if he wants) - thus keeping steering hands, developing the site and its income streams etc and mainly just ensuring a steady future. And the model would also assure that JD could step back in as active partner when he has his issues sorted ... but of course, it takes contact & arrangements to be possible.

I would be more than happy to talk about a partners share.

He Knows my ICQ and can message me anytime.

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:59 pm

There is currently something I guess you could call a leader and he has a committee. How do you think the PR checker got working again? LS isn't going anywhere. Amerinoc has reported to Drocd that they are VERY HAPPY, not just OK with, hosting the site. For them it is a big plus. Advertising on a high Alexa site for hosting it. The site only consumes less than 100 gigs a month. Far less actually. To them it is like paying $25 a month for BW and loss of rack space to get $150+ in advertising for free.

You can continue to discuss this, but everything has already been handled.

kimnguyen · Post by **kimnguyen** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:59 pm

vrocks wrote:everything has already been handled.

I would like to believe in what you have deduced. But if Everything has been handled I think a note from JD in this thread would have been - handled - as well.

Like yourself, we are sitting here theorizing and the only hard evidence is coming from drocd and so far he is indicating that he has other priorities just like JD. Drocd alone is hardly a committee. I see no reason for JD or Drocd to prioritize or expand a system at a minimal if not zero profit.

In the end the bottom line is Business and Profit ( regardless of original intension ). People need to have a motivation other than pride to keep a free service running/growing.

Aside from bandwidth the server itself costs in that it could be reallocated to another paying customer. Advertising alone will not foot the bill.

I'm in no rush to pay - but I think that's what needs to happen before it's too late.

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:58 am

kimnguyen wrote:
vrocks wrote:everything has already been handled.
I would like to believe in what you have deduced. But if Everything has been handled I think a note from JD in this thread would have been - handled - as well.

Like yourself, we are sitting here theorizing and the only hard evidence is coming from drocd and so far he is indicating that he has other priorities just like JD. Drocd alone is hardly a committee. I see no reason for JD or Drocd to prioritize or expand a system at a minimal if not zero profit.

In the end the bottom line is Business and Profit ( regardless of original intension ). People need to have a motivation other than pride to keep a free service running/growing.

Aside from bandwidth the server itself costs in that it could be reallocated to another paying customer. Advertising alone will not foot the bill.

I'm in no rush to pay - but I think that's what needs to happen before it's too late.

OK... I will come right out and say it for you all... I didn't come out and say it because I don't want to take any credit, neither does Drocd and I won't even mention everyone else who has helped out (the rest of the committee), only because I don't know if they want to publicly take responsibility for... well.. you...

Drocd is helping out because this is an awesome system and he, and he alone, created it. Yes, Jdoughs found the funding and ultimately hired Drocd to create it. I am not in any way discounting that. I am simply stating that Droc has a big handed stake in this because it is an awesome system and he coded the entire thing. Being a coder myself I have to say.. Hats fucking off to the guy!

To address your comment on my speculation... I am not speculating on anything. I became as personal of a friend of Jdoughs as you can possibly be without meeting face to face. I understood his intention on making LS. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A MONEY STREAM. It was solely created as a way to facilitate the trades he and his friends and TB weren't able to do... Then he got this huge idea... why not make it available to the public and pay for its creation through banner ads? He never wanted to make it a paid to play trading system. All talk of that type of system came once the site's features grew in scope to point where adding new ones would cost money. COST MONEY. As in everything it does to this point is free, but adding special SEO features would cost cash on a monthly basis... so a paid for level was going to be created, and will be created once Jdoughs returns. Everything you enjoy now (and more) will be free. To get the other data you will have to pay only because Jdoughs will also have to pay to give it to you.

So what can I personally take credit for? With much help from Droc I have donated bandwidth (very minimal) and IP's to get the PR system working again. I have also done a few moderation things. I actually hate doing them because I am sure there is someone more connected to Jdoughs that should have the honor. However, I have been told that my technical background in CMS systems, MYSQL, PHP and every other thing web related has made me the most optimal candidate.

Just like you I wish Jdoughs would say hello. I long for the chance to get the low down on what is going on in his life. I have run the full gamut of scenarios... But I refuse to say that the sky is falling. Because it isn't. I know first hand that the domain name has been transferred to someone Jdoughs not only trusts, but considers a good friend. It has been renewed and will continue to be renewed. After this person received the domain they added another year to the expiration date. This was done to show everyone that, indeed, a succession plan was in place. Did anyone notice?

Finally, you expressed interest in paying... Let me be perfectly clear. LS was created as a FREE link trading site and will remain as such! Drocd, however, is human. He has family, obligations, responsibilities and well... he needs to eat, cloth and house himself... oh... and pay for his Internets...

So... Eventually there will be a donation period where he will be compensated and suggestions/bugs will be handled. Thus far many of the bugs were actually DNS errors on a users part (such as, lack of propagation) or other errors that weren't going to effect more than %5 of the LS population. Not that we think anyone is < (less than), but when he finally does receive a list it should be reflective of the things the vast majority needs fixing, no?

The forum is wide open... fill it with your wishes and threads that go to 7 pages like this one will bubble up to the top and get addressed.

Anyway... happy trading and thank you for your continued support... and if nothing else, you interest!

Hincapie · Post by **Hincapie** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:43 am

Thumbs up Vrocks !

This was exactly the solution I was hoping would happen - not realising it already had. Its a brilliant effort and sounds like a solid way forward - praise to you, and the others, for stepping in and up when it was needed!

Hinc

PS: Can you put the pr-checker on hypermode - it reverted a load of sites to pr0 whilst google was doing their url change.

vrocks wrote:
kimnguyen wrote:
vrocks wrote:everything has already been handled.
I would like to believe in what you have deduced. But if Everything has been handled I think a note from JD in this thread would have been - handled - as well.

Like yourself, we are sitting here theorizing and the only hard evidence is coming from drocd and so far he is indicating that he has other priorities just like JD. Drocd alone is hardly a committee. I see no reason for JD or Drocd to prioritize or expand a system at a minimal if not zero profit.

In the end the bottom line is Business and Profit ( regardless of original intension ). People need to have a motivation other than pride to keep a free service running/growing.

Aside from bandwidth the server itself costs in that it could be reallocated to another paying customer. Advertising alone will not foot the bill.

I'm in no rush to pay - but I think that's what needs to happen before it's too late.

OK... I will come right out and say it for you all... I didn't come out and say it because I don't want to take any credit, neither does Drocd and I won't even mention everyone else who has helped out (the rest of the committee), only because I don't know if they want to publicly take responsibility for... well.. you...

Drocd is helping out because this is an awesome system and he, and he alone, created it. Yes, Jdoughs found the funding and ultimately hired Drocd to create it. I am not in any way discounting that. I am simply stating that Droc has a big handed stake in this because it is an awesome system and he coded the entire thing. Being a coder myself I have to say.. Hats fucking off to the guy!

To address your comment on my speculation... I am not speculating on anything. I became as personal of a friend of Jdoughs as you can possibly be without meeting face to face. I understood his intention on making LS. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A MONEY STREAM. It was solely created as a way to facilitate the trades he and his friends and TB weren't able to do... Then he got this huge idea... why not make it available to the public and pay for its creation through banner ads? He never wanted to make it a paid to play trading system. All talk of that type of system came once the site's features grew in scope to point where adding new ones would cost money. COST MONEY. As in everything it does to this point is free, but adding special SEO features would cost cash on a monthly basis... so a paid for level was going to be created, and will be created once Jdoughs returns. Everything you enjoy now (and more) will be free. To get the other data you will have to pay only because Jdoughs will also have to pay to give it to you.

So what can I personally take credit for? With much help from Droc I have donated bandwidth (very minimal) and IP's to get the PR system working again. I have also done a few moderation things. I actually hate doing them because I am sure there is someone more connected to Jdoughs that should have the honor. However, I have been told that my technical background in CMS systems, MYSQL, PHP and every other thing web related has made me the most optimal candidate.

Just like you I wish Jdoughs would say hello. I long for the chance to get the low down on what is going on in his life. I have run the full gamut of scenarios... But I refuse to say that the sky is falling. Because it isn't. I know first hand that the domain name has been transferred to someone Jdoughs not only trusts, but considers a good friend. It has been renewed and will continue to be renewed. After this person received the domain they added another year to the expiration date. This was done to show everyone that, indeed, a succession plan was in place. Did anyone notice?

Finally, you expressed interest in paying... Let me be perfectly clear. LS was created as a FREE link trading site and will remain as such! Drocd, however, is human. He has family, obligations, responsibilities and well... he needs to eat, cloth and house himself... oh... and pay for his Internets...

So... Eventually there will be a donation period where he will be compensated and suggestions/bugs will be handled. Thus far many of the bugs were actually DNS errors on a users part (such as, lack of propagation) or other errors that weren't going to effect more than %5 of the LS population. Not that we think anyone is < (less than), but when he finally does receive a list it should be reflective of the things the vast majority needs fixing, no?

The forum is wide open... fill it with your wishes and threads that go to 7 pages like this one will bubble up to the top and get addressed.

Anyway... happy trading and thank you for your continued support... and if nothing else, you interest!

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:14 pm

While I can't do that... You can update your own sites manually through the manage pages menu system.

kimnguyen · Post by **kimnguyen** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:47 pm

vrocks wrote:
I became as personal of a friend of Jdoughs as you can possibly be without meeting face to face.

will be created once Jdoughs returns.

I long for the chance to get the low down on what is going on in his life.

I refuse to say that the sky is falling. Because it isn't. I know first hand that the domain name has been transferred to someone Jdoughs not only trusts

Drocd, however, is human. He has family, obligations, responsibilities and well... he needs to eat, cloth and house himself... oh... and pay for his Internets...

Hey Look, I'm not trying to argue or provoke a fight here( you know I respect you ). But, nothing said here changes the fundamentals of the situation and actually raises contradictions.

You say JD is returning to expand SEO features: Yet he has transferred ownership of the domain and is MIA/AFK for 6 months going on 7. Why transfer ownership of a domain you intend to keep growing? Why transfer ownership at all? And wouldn't a more logical choice be Drocd for ownership?

You are a personal friend of JD: Yet we can not get a personal statement from him

You (vRocks) and Drocd are helping out no doubt.

However, as you mentioned and has been clear for months throughout this thread: JD and Drocds PRIORITIES are Elsewhere ( Not Here ) Obviously.

So, My comments about the monitization of this system is to apply incentive. As you mentioned they like the rest of us have lives to maintain. That's where the priorities are for everyone and until the income from LS exceeds the income from their other sources LS will not supersede their other priorities.

No one said or implied the sky is falling. But it remains clear. LS is NOT a priority for Drocd and is basically off the Radar of JD.

lauralace · Post by **lauralace** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:03 pm

I already have long term advertising here so no interest in being a partner of any sort, however I absolutely advocate paying a few bucks a month for this service. Not only would it weed out the dumbasses who just spam garbage trade requests, but it would keep an incredibly awesome service going.

If you can't afford 10 bucks a month, you are absolutely in the wrong business.

Cherrylula · Post by **Cherrylula** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:15 pm

My account is new, haven't even done any trading, but after browsing around a bit I absolutely would pay $10 a month and YES it weeds out the losers for sure. My time is worth more than ten bucks when wasted on bunk trades.

Post by **drocd** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:42 pm

kimnguyen wrote:
vrocks wrote:However, as you mentioned and has been clear for months throughout this thread: JD and Drocds PRIORITIES are Elsewhere ( Not Here ) Obviously.

You are correct here, I have other priorities that trump Linkspun. With that being said, Linkspun can and will continue to run as-is.

There are a few minor bugs in the system that will be addressed sooner or later, but for the most part the site needs little moderation. If you come across an annoying user block him. If you have a link that isn't being verified properly, chances are it's your fault. Of the "bugs" posted about the bot not finding a link anchor properly, 99% are the fault of the user. If your sites PR isn't updated, then update it manually via manage sites.

Any bugs that prevent the system from running properly or affect users on a daily basis will be fixed by me. Aside from that what's wrong with letting the system run as it is? New features would be nice, but they aren't really needed to keep the system running.

As far as people paying, I'm sorry to say but I'd be surprised if we could get 50-100 people paying $10/month. So $500-$1000 per month, I'm sorry but that's not a lot of money. With 100 users paying $10/month, you can bet your ass they are going to expect constant updates and premium support. $1000 would get you 10-15 hrs of updating per month, which I doubt is enough to keep the paying users happy. That is why I have chosen to keep my priorities elsewhere at this time. But make no mistake, I will fix any serious bugs (such as the PR checker and system e-mails previously fixed).

kimnguyen · Post by **kimnguyen** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:53 pm

drocd wrote:As far as people paying, I'm sorry to say but I'd be surprised if we could get 50-100 people paying $10/month. So $500-$1000 per month, I'm sorry but that's not a lot of money.

You would have Absolutely No Problem exceeding 100 users at 10 per month. T-ball had over 150 users paying $12/MO plus banner slots and still he ditched the platform so even at an estimated 3000+ per month it just wasn't enough to keep them interested. Mr. Bond retired and didn't give a fuck and obviously the programmer didn't either.

As you said. A few grand isn't much to some people.

So, I don't know if even paying for LS will produce any growth. I think $10/Month is enough to keep it operational at best.

greenguy · Post by **greenguy** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:34 am

I'm new here, so I won't comment too much

But I will say that this service is well worth $10/month - I wish I'd found it sooner.

mcfester · Post by **mcfester** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:33 am

Hats fucking off to the committee

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:37 am

Growth? Have you seen the Alexa ranking?

This place grows on an hourly basis... It works. It. Works. Plain and simple.

So I am not sure why people are asking for growth? If you don't like it, create a competing product... That is how Linkspun got here. It wasn't something thrown together at a moments notice when we all noticed TB took a shit. It was planned for months and executed over a year. And it works... It is self sufficient. Don't like someone? Block them and cancel trades with them. The search on the ongoing trades page will quickly bring all trades with a certain user up...

There is nothing wrong with Linkspun... That is not to say it won't change over time. I am just saying it is working... so no need to fix anything.

Wiggles · Post by **Wiggles** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:52 am

vrocks wrote:Growth? Have you seen the Alexa ranking?

This place grows on an hourly basis... It works. It. Works. Plain and simple.

So I am not sure why people are asking for growth? If you don't like it, create a competing product... That is how Linkspun got here. It wasn't something thrown together at a moments notice when we all noticed TB took a shit. It was planned for months and executed over a year. And it works... It is self sufficient. Don't like someone? Block them and cancel trades with them. The search on the ongoing trades page will quickly bring all trades with a certain user up...

There is nothing wrong with Linkspun... That is not to say it won't change over time. I am just saying it is working... so no need to fix anything.

Are you in touch with jdoughs? If not I will see what I can do as we have met in person and done some deals together. I also have some phone numbers lying around for him.
Let me know.

Wiggles

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:53 am

Now in contact with him. I only talked to him via email and ICQ. No other way to talk to him and he hasn't responded in quite a long time.

tropicool · Post by **tropicool** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:33 pm

I would also gladly pay $10 a month for this service. The operators need to know that we appreciate their hard work and are willing to compensate them for their efforts. At the very least, a donation button should be added to the site for those of us who want to put our money where our mouth is.

Tropicool

MrBond · Post by **MrBond** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:22 pm

It's always fun to check in on the people that thought they knew everything and end up with nothing. Actually you have less than nothing because all this place does is run up server costs and frustration for the ignorant masses of spammers, morons and people that don't understand ( and never will ).

That is exactly what you have here regardless of what you want to lie to yourself about. Adult for people at this level has been Down HARD for over four years... Yet here you are still trying to figure it all out. Anyone who had any vision treated the Adult Biz like Vegas... They quit while they were ahead and cashed out.

Say whatever you want... The last time I was at InterNext (many years ago)... IAMLive was making the biggest power-play in Adult History. People were cashing out... Getting the Fuck out and not looking back). And, I'm not talking affiliates... Affiliates were left chasing the dream as you still are here.

I'll tell you exactly where Jdoughs is. He's off Not Giving a Shit ( and the reasons don't matter ). This thread that has gone on for months without so much as a single post from doughs is Absolute proof that he does not give a shit. Anyone who wants to argue that, can remain in denial.

- He hasn't been here in nearly a year.
- He transferred ownership.
- He won't make so much as a single post in this form.
- No one can get in contact with him (despite claims of intermittent e-mail / ICQ contact)

What more proof do you need that he does not give a Shit? He's done with this place. Pride only keeps you hanging around for so long.

I'd say he's off enjoying retirement... as I have been (I just beat him to it by about a year and a half). Either that or he went back to "nailing coffins" ( his previous profession ). Before blindly jumping into this copycat business model. And it IS A COPY!

He was as blind and ignorant as everyone else. Thinking that Everything should be free. " Free... Free... Free..." But that's right up until people realize how much Free damages their bottom line (like free porn). Then they start complaining about that.... But wait? I thought everything was supposed to be free?

Lack of Vision is a Big-Time understatement for this place. You saw thunder-ball and said "I can do that bigger and better and it will be free". So you hired a cheap programmer and said "copy this".

Well congratulations, you did it. And now you're left holding the bag of server costs and frustration with no pay off. You can Fucking act like it was worth it in some way (other than pride). The bottom line is advertising doesn't pay Shit and there is no Residual payout here at linkspun.

Shit... You've got people offering to donate but you won't take 20 minutes to set up a PayPal button.

Your Own programmer up has clearly stated he does Not give A Fuck. Not a direct quote... But those are his action. His Actions smack you in the face and are backed up by his statements. For those of you that cannot understand this... Let me explain: *** There is NOTHING in it for him ***. Just like there's Nothing in it for Doughs.

Only now can you see this proof of what I'm saying.

vRocks... you always were the one to display the most lack of understanding in your posts... Half the time making a reasonable point... The other half just ignorant trash talk displaying your lack of intelligence, education, mishandling of vocabulary and sheer ignorance.

vRocks:
"Growth? Have you seen the Alexa ranking?"
"This place grows on an hourly basis... "

The only thing that grows here is the amount of financial deficit and your frustration in fending off the ignorant masses as indicated by Your Post here.

vRocks:
"It works. It. Works. Plain and simple."

?? Who are you trying to convince?
Why don't people understand what you're saying?
Why do you have to keep reiterating this after over two years?

vRocks:
"So I am not sure why people are asking for growth? If you don't like it, create a competing product...
That is how Linkspun got here. It wasn't something thrown together at a moments notice when we all noticed TB took a shit. "

Here you have a point, but only one that enforces your ignorance, and the blindly launched endeavor that created this place. Keyword "shit". Me not giving a shit allowed JDoughs and company to take up a bend over position on an abandoned street corner and be the Free Whore in a city that I abandoned.

vRocks:
"It was planned for months and executed over a year. And it works... It is self sufficient. Don't like someone? Block them and cancel trades with them. The search on the ongoing trades page will quickly bring all trades with a certain user up...

There is nothing wrong with Linkspun... That is not to say it won't change over time. I am just saying it is working... so no need to fix anything. "

Are you SURE vROKCS??? I mean Are you certain about what you're saying here? I mean... why dont they understand what your saying. What is their problem? They just dont understand do they?

I mean... Why do you have to keep explaining this to people? Or more importantly why do you keep trying? Why do you Fucking Care? When are you going to understand that they don't get it.... And they never will. Well that's because you're one of those people to. One of those people that just retards around never knowing what the fuck is really going on.

But it's not your fault Rocks... it really isn't. You just Can't Realize the level of ignorance you are facing ( but that's because you're equally ignorant )

rocks: " Now in contact with him .... he hasn't responded in quite a long time. "

So which is it going to be rocks?? I mean:
- You're " Now in contact with him "
- But " he hasn't responded in quite a long time "

So, you may be in contact with his email... you might even email him every few hours...
But " he hasn't responded in quite a long time "
So, is it just you there emailing all by your self?
( don't blame me for this one... You Fucking Said it and left your self wide open for that one hahahahah )

For old time's sake let me let you guys in on something. What you guys called stupidity, mismanagement and incompetence at thunder-ball... Was quite simply - Me Not Giving A SHIT!

You think you're so fuckin' smart... Yet you Never Figured That Out?

And, with doughs being the smartest of you... he still never looked at the reason I abandoned Thunder-ball. That is until NOW... when has done exactly the same thing. Except, He never got paid Shit for his Efforts.

You and your "committee" vRocks.. are just the pathetic free whores left over managing this place for free after doughs bailed on you. His ass is sick and sore of being the free whore. I guess you guys just can't get enough. At least I gave Alicia all the money from sign-ups in the last year or more of thunder-ball.

FUCK, All she had to do was check email and press a few buttons but after a while she was like "why the fuck am I doing this?" ... I replied "I don't fucking know... I fucking told you". Then we just gave it to the programmer. But we Fucking Told him it was bullshit but he just Had to find out about it. He put like a month into it and then even he was like... fuck these people ( we still laugh about it ).

So, vRrocks and committee... I just have to ask you... Why the fuck are you doing this shit... For FREE???

YO *** EVEN WHORES DON'T DO IT FOR FREE ***

Aside from shit talking you let's look at what really matters. The financial aspect ( since it's clear you don't understand it ). Banners at thunder-ball cost between $450 and $1200 per month. This was before the mass decline in the industry so I will admit I had it easy. Banners here sell for what... $20? And It's free for users.

So At best thunder-ball made a $4500 maybe $5000 on a lucky month (people thought it was higher but it was not). Which is of course why people offered to buy it at like 12K. I would have sold at 10K but I just never checked the thread again... I just didn't give a fuck when I was making 6K a day on the stock market.

Bottom line was... even if it had sustained $3500 per month... We're talking $3500 per MONTH???? To Deal With you Fucking Assholes???? Hahahhah hahah. Your own programmer is Ignoring you for that amount.

I'm off now to drinks drugs and laughs with Alicia and all her hot friends. You won't hear from me again.

More importantly, You won't hear from Doughs again Either

Hahhahah ha hahahhah

Mr.Bond

ania10 · Post by **ania10** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:44 am

I've been working in the adult industry for the last 10 years. This is one of the best tools I ever had. I got an email from somebody earlier this year and signed up. Already have more than 500 niche trades. Very efficient tool. I do not understand the bitterness of MrBond. The adult industry is as every other industry - things change with the advance of technology...the point is to be creative and to diversify your portfolio

Developing and maintaining such site as linkspun is not a big deal our days and the server/bandwidth costs should be very low.

Good luck!

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:17 am

Actually... To "run" this place requires about 15% more effort than I was doing before hand. Which is about 1 hour a month in total. I pop in every few days and most of the time there is literally nothing for me to do except for setting up my own trades or requesting more.

The site pays for itself with its advertising. Not sure why you think it doesn't... But it does... So yeah... I get "screwed" out of the $100 an hour I would normally charge somebody for my time... However... I also get to use the place for free. Of course so does everyone else...

I think you are bitter, Mr Bond, because your new venture for link trading failed miserably...

You have been a troll and always will be a troll...

Happy trolling!

kapxxx · Post by **kapxxx** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:07 am

MrBond wrote: Hahhahah ha hahahhah
Mr.Bond

Grow up.

inkognito · Post by **inkognito** » Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:23 pm

MrBond wrote:It's always fun to check in on the people that thought they knew everything and end up with nothing. (Like) Mr.Bond

LOL ^^^

)))

Post by **drocd** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:01 pm

MrBond wrote:So you hired a cheap programmer and said "copy this".

Mr.Bond

My feelings are hurt.

redwhiteandblue · Post by **redwhiteandblue** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:39 pm

Ah, Mr Bond, we've been expecting you.....

absinth · Post by **absinth** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:03 am

I do not understand the bitterness of MrBond.

1. He is a used car salesman (not kidding). I think that purdy much sums up what anyone needs to know about bond.

2. He's mad drocd built a better site than he ever could have.

3. He's pissed 1990s called and wants their programming language back.

4. He's pissed that he couldn't get many people to signup when thunder-ball started charging people.

The list could go on forever...

vrocks · Post by **vrocks** » Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:18 am

Actually, Mr Bond did get plenty of people to signup when he started charging people. I did. His service was awesome. But then he stopped answering the call when it came to issues that were very MAJOR issues...

They include:

Not fixing the bug that stripped www. from the URL.
Not fixing the PR checker.
Not fixing the link checker for certain issues like an apostrophe in unicode.

The list goes on...

That is when lots of people, myself included, started canceling accounts.

The really sad part is that I offered to fix many of the issues since I know how to program and he wouldn't even answer my Emails or ICQ requests to do it. I was going to do it for free!

absinth · Post by **absinth** » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:48 am

Actually, Mr Bond did get plenty of people to signup when he started charging people

According to his old partner peeperpimp it wasn't that many people. Well not enough to make any good amount of money off of it. After reading bonds whiney post that seems about right too.

Not that any of that matters, I was just pointing out why he was crying. That guy is always crying though. He was crying constantly about people at GFY too, yet he talks like a troll himself. Hell he use to have triumph the dog as his avatar, you'd think someone like that could take a little heat.

Freedom · Post by **Freedom** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:55 pm

txs for all the help vrocks

this place is in good hands as far as I'm concerned!

SelfShot · Post by **SelfShot** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:14 pm

Being new to the industry, I didn't know about past programs such as this that have been discussed in this thread. Which I think is a great example of the future going forward. I see new webmasters entering the business every day and I see new programs launched, as well. I'll never know what it was like in the "glory days", but that doesn't matter much to me. I just need to get business done today, which is why I'm here.

Tabarnak69 · Post by **Tabarnak69** » Fri May 11, 2012 5:54 pm

SelfShot wrote:Being new to the industry, I didn't know about past programs such as this that have been discussed in this thread. Which I think is a great example of the future going forward. I see new webmasters entering the business every day and I see new programs launched, as well. I'll never know what it was like in the "glory days", but that doesn't matter much to me. I just need to get business done today, which is why I'm here.

There's glory days and then there's glory days. I remember taking out ads in the back of magazines to sell my films.

Today I have to learn a bunch of new terminology to do similar and pray that my webmaster finds it in his heart and spare time to build my paysite. But who knows... I have to deal with the here and now and I've read that learning new things keeps old age brain disorders in check.

So like a good little whore with no shame... I'll trade links with anyone that's willing give a new guy a chance