Trade Setup Question

[jaxinvt]

This really burns me.

When someone requests a trade which you approved, how long should you wait before pulling their link even though they keep signing in afterwards and didn't place your link?

I think the person should take care of their business on the next sign-in but I'm checking with the community to get your ideas.

Thanks!

[jdoughs]

This really burns me.

When someone requests a trade which you approved, how long should you wait before pulling their link even though they keep signing in afterwards and didn't place your link?

I think the person should take care of their business on the next sign-in but I'm checking with the community to get your ideas.

Thanks!

They should add the links right away. If you approve a trade and it moves to Set Up Links there is no sense waiting.

We need people to adapt this mentality, the Set Up Links page will be redone in a few days and I'll try to set some focus to quicker adding of links.

[Relentless]

Psssst - The key is to lock the interface when they fail to add links. After 72 hours if they haven't added links for an agreed trade, they shouldn't be able to use LS for anything else until those links get set up completely.

[willwank]

This really burns me.

When someone requests a trade which you approved, how long should you wait before pulling their link even though they keep signing in afterwards and didn't place your link?

I think the person should take care of their business on the next sign-in but I'm checking with the community to get your ideas.

Thanks!

They should act promptly. If they elect to use this service in the first place they should be professional enough to follow up what they started.

[vrocks]

I like the lock idea a lot! Or they should maintain a ratio of no more than 10% unfinished tasks before starting another because you might want to check something out with the tools on a trader and then add his trade if you enjoy the results...

In these situations you can remove his link and leave him a comment like:

I added your link. I left it up for 2 days. You signed in and neglected to add my trade for 2 days. So I took your link down. If you put my link up I will make sure to put your link up within 2 days. If you don't have my link up within 5 days I will just cancel the trade and put you on ignore so you cannot request trades from me and your links don't show up when I am searching... Then I will leave a post about you in the forum so others may do the same. Have a nice day and I hope to trade with you in the future!

[Relentless]

vrocks, I don't like the 10% idea...

If the LS member agreed to a trade they already had the chance to say no or to just not reply. They actively chose to say 'yes, I agree to this trade.' People should not be 10% unreliable once they have already agreed to a deal. If the lock were added you'd see EVERY trade completed within 72 hours... and the asshats would literally start removing themselves from the community for us.

Let them log in, and see a landing page that says 'Please add links from these previously agreed trades to unlock your account.'

[12links]

a few days wait isn't an issue, especially during summer or holidays.

but if a week or so goes by, then that's too long.

[jaxinvt]

a few days wait isn't an issue, especially during summer or holidays.

but if a week or so goes by, then that's too long.

Yes it is because he signed back in after the fact. Even stacked trades, although tedious, can be accomplished in a timely manner. Google crawls my main sites frequently and I don't like giving link juice that is one-sided unless they paid for a one-way link. I do most link trades when I get the notice and if I'm busy doing other things I don't sign back in until I'm ready to complete the task.

[PornGuy]

There are times that I will make a request on a Friday and due to events and having a family I dont get back to it until Monday in the afternoon. Personally I think a 7 day period is ok, as lots of us have many things going on.

[Relentless]

a few days wait isn't an issue, especially during summer or holidays.
but if a week or so goes by, then that's too long.

I have no problem making the lock waiting period longer than a day or two. That's all fine and good... but people need to know that if they have not added a link by X time after agreeing to the trade - the system will lock and they wont be able to do *anything* else in LS until they add the links they already promised to put up.

Also keep in mind... its not a banning or an account problem. No permanent removal etc.
You just cant make any more trades or search for trades or contact more people etc until you finish the trades you already agreed to...

[elegantmedia]

If it's not a question of a member getting banned, only a suspension of use until links are put up - I think a 48-72 hour period is adequate. It only serves to insure that links are put up promptly upon their next visit to the site.

[samsagaz]

They should act promptly!

[Ice-nine]

I haven't had any problems with anyone not putting up agreed upon links and I would usually give the benefit of a doubt because sometimes life gets in the way but once a person gets too far behind then something like the lock would probably be a good thing. There is no need to look for more trades until you have completed the ones you have already made.

[daviking]

i think locking the interface untl the links are up is a great idea.

sometimes life gets in the way of working and adding links, but in that case you dont need to have access to the interface - your busy with other stuff anyways.

i also think a trade should only show up in "setup trades" when the person who approved the trade at last, added his link.

[matelko]

I was out for weeks and have tenths of trade requests, now I'm trying to check them and answer the trades. It's not good to limit the request for one of two days or logins...

[ristac]

I have to agree, locking the interface until agreed links are added is a great idea. I would say after 72 hours although I hope the lock would not prevent other members still contacting you with proposed trades, just lock the ability for you to agree to them until links are added.

I say that because linkspun is still fairly new and I sometimes forget to come back here and check what is going on. Members contacting me for a possible trade is a good memory jogger.

I will be contacting admin with one concern though, I do have a link in place, it is exactly as requested but the admin panel/checker states I am using the wrong text. I think the problem is because I am using coloured links. I would hate to be locked out because of this...

[kejebe]

I think 24/48 hours is more than enough time.

If you take the time to either search for trades or accept a trade you know that you potentially have an obligation to fill.

If you have something keeping you from doing this ie weekends, holidays or vacations you shouldn't be looking for trades or agreeing to them until you can commit to them like on Monday or a non holiday/vacation.

I understand unexpected situations arise from time to time and so be it but when those times happen and you come back to LS and your account is frozen till you clear up your neglected duties what is the big deal???

My idea of Frozen just mean you can't accept or request any further trades. It doesn't mean currently set up trades are affected.

Receiving trade "requests" and not acting upon them due to being on a vacation is different than accepting a trade request or initiating one. If you accept or initiate 48 hours at most is more than sufficient.

Kevin.

[123anddone]

i have trades that hang in setup with my links added for month or more, and i write comments in trades but other partner is not adding links and i can't do anything to force his to add links...

[leonxm]

I like the lock idea, but not for a 1-2 days of waiting, a little more. 3-4 days would be good. Cause if the approve was just before weekend and then you are not in the office, so it's more then 2 days...

What I want to suggest, is rating. May be it could help and somehow it can stimulate the traders? Like on Ebay, they have top sellers and these with a bad reputation. So, let's make some stars or whatever, just to make it visible if I can trust the person.
In 99.9 precent's I put the link right after approve, but then I follow for weeks to get these trades done. To be honest, I don't want to waste my time on running after the bastards

Or may be some "reminder" option would be good? Cause now, I can't even send a message to a trader if he doesn't filled up the email or icq info. What do you think about "reminder" button, which will send an email message to a trader?

[scoutas]

IMHO, 72 hours is plenty of time to put requested links up. The rules must be set because I don't think that any of us have time to chase after guys that don't want to collaborate.

And yes, we all have unexpected situations but it won't be a problem to come back as soon as you done and have your account renewed.

[domainary]

I'm still transfering between laptops at the moment and haven't been able to add links from certain sites quickly lately.

But I always try to get them placed within 7 days.

Once everything is back to normal I will putting them up straight away again.

72 hours sounds like a fair/adequate amount of time to set-up a trade in my eyes though.

[redwhiteandblue]

As long as it's done the right way round. When someone requests a trade from me and approves the recip I choose, I normally wait for them to add the link their end first. Otherwise I could end up giving out free links to anyone who requests one from me, if they don't link ack. However today someone dropped a trade he had initiated without first adding my recip he had approved, presumably because he thought I should have added the link he requested from me first.

[domainary]

As long as it's done the right way round. When someone requests a trade from me and approves the recip I choose, I normally wait for them to add the link their end first. Otherwise I could end up giving out free links to anyone who requests one from me, if they don't link ack. However today someone dropped a trade he had initiated without first adding my recip he had approved, presumably because he thought I should have added the link he requested from me first.

I lost a link because of that very reason,

I've also had one where I put the person's link up, it was there for 2 weeks then I got fed up waiting and took it down (but didn't cancel it).

The following week he had put the link up and it was listed as active but because I hadn't checked link spun I didn't know. So I noticed his link was up his end, put mine back up, checked links and his was gone again.

So I just decided to drop it.

If we didn't bother about who puts what up first etc, or had a clear rule it would go smoother.

[jdoughs]

As long as it's done the right way round. When someone requests a trade from me and approves the recip I choose, I normally wait for them to add the link their end first. Otherwise I could end up giving out free links to anyone who requests one from me, if they don't link ack. However today someone dropped a trade he had initiated without first adding my recip he had approved, presumably because he thought I should have added the link he requested from me first.

I lost a link because of that very reason,

I've also had one where I put the person's link up, it was there for 2 weeks then I got fed up waiting and took it down (but didn't cancel it).

The following week he had put the link up and it was listed as active but because I hadn't checked link spun I didn't know. So I noticed his link was up his end, put mine back up, checked links and his was gone again.

So I just decided to drop it.

If we didn't bother about who puts what up first etc, or had a clear rule it would go smoother.

There is a pretty clear rule, people just don't follow it. If you accept a trade, and it goes to Set Up Trades, you must add that trade, you agreed to it, and now its waiting for the other person.

Naturally, everyone doesn't follow, or we wouldn't be discussing it at length here;)

[domainary]

As long as it's done the right way round. When someone requests a trade from me and approves the recip I choose, I normally wait for them to add the link their end first. Otherwise I could end up giving out free links to anyone who requests one from me, if they don't link ack. However today someone dropped a trade he had initiated without first adding my recip he had approved, presumably because he thought I should have added the link he requested from me first.

I lost a link because of that very reason,

I've also had one where I put the person's link up, it was there for 2 weeks then I got fed up waiting and took it down (but didn't cancel it).

The following week he had put the link up and it was listed as active but because I hadn't checked link spun I didn't know. So I noticed his link was up his end, put mine back up, checked links and his was gone again.

So I just decided to drop it.

If we didn't bother about who puts what up first etc, or had a clear rule it would go smoother.

There is a pretty clear rule, people just don't follow it. If you accept a trade, and it goes to Set Up Trades, you must add that trade, you agreed to it, and now its waiting for the other person.

Naturally, everyone doesn't follow, or we wouldn't be discussing it at length here;)

True

I was just thinking of the people saying about "who puts their link up first etc."

There was one trader I had a problem with before, took him 3 weeks to put mine up after his was live, so the next time he requested I waited until he put his up.

It's just one of them things, I think people should be patient. Obviously if certain users constantly do the same thing then thats a different matter all together.

[Rochard]

Three or four days seems like a reasonable amount of time, but I think a week is needed. People go to shows, vacations, have personal issues where they are off line for a few days.... When I go on vacation I'll take a lap top, and while generally speaking link trades are important to me, they aren't nearly as important to me when I'm on vacation.

I haven't found a whole bunch of issues with people not putting links up in a reasonable amount of time.

[Relentless]

The answer to 'who puts the trade up first' is its a RACE. As soon as the trade is agreed to by both sides and you notice it is completed you and they should both be adding links asap.

[jizzbox]

I guess I'm one of those people, I only log into LS 1-2x a week. Sorry about that.

[jdoughs]

I guess I'm one of those people, I only log into LS 1-2x a week. Sorry about that.

Really that is fine, as long as when you have agreed and the trade is in set up trades status, that you add the trade.

There is some who will let the links sit there for weeks and weeks.

[vrocks]

@relentless, what you don't realize is that MOST of the traders here and at TB have anywhere from 40 - 80% trades in waiting for input from the trader status. So 10% is actually a very small number for these people that they'd have a hard time getting around. And that isn't just for trades waiting for a link.... that number is for all tasks that are waiting for a response. Trade requests, setup and pending trades.

[Relentless]

@relentless, what you don't realize is that MOST of the traders here and at TB have anywhere from 40 - 80% trades in waiting for input from the trader status. So 10% is actually a very small number for these people that they'd have a hard time getting around. And that isn't just for trades waiting for a link.... that number is for all tasks that are waiting for a response. Trade requests, setup and pending trades.

I do see what you mean. My thought is that until and unless someone agrees to a trade, what else they do doesn't affect anyone else. If they have 500 people who requested trades from them and they don't feel like replying, I have no problem with that at all - they just don't get to make those trades. The only thing that bothers me, is when they have agreed to a trade - a deal is done - and their links need to go up in a timely manner. If they don't follow through with the deal they made, they should be locked until they do... if they choose not to make deals, that just means they end up with less trades.

Hope that clears up my pov.

[sukisucker]

I dont know why you guys making such a big thing out of this. 1 week for a link back should be more than ok. SEO takes time. Im running link campaigns as a SEO for big companies and when i book and pay a link 30 days is more or less normal until i get a linkback.

1. there is a google sandbox effect a cache which needs weeks until a linkvote counts
2. a link is like a good wine, the link has to age. No one cares if a links is not up in one week in cases of SEO.
3. people who are sending me messages "where is my linkback" after 1 or 2 days are noobs. As an adult webmaster we have lot of other things to take care of. A linkback in one week should be acceptable for everyone.

[jdoughs]

I dont know why you guys making such a big thing out of this. 1 week for a link back should be more than ok. SEO takes time. Im running link campaigns as a SEO for big companies and when i book and pay a link 30 days is more or less normal until i get a linkback.

1. there is a google sandbox effect a cache which needs weeks until a linkvote counts
2. a link is like a good wine, the link has to age. No one cares if a links is not up in one week in cases of SEO.
3. people who are sending me messages "where is my linkback" after 1 or 2 days are noobs. As an adult webmaster we have lot of other things to take care of. A linkback in one week should be acceptable for everyone.

I think you missed the point. If I talked to you on messenger and agreed to a link trade and I did mine, I wouldn't want to just wait a week (or 2) for you to add it. And if thats how it needed to be, you'd tell me because it is outside the norm.

If you accept a trade and goes into your Set UP, set it up. Or dont accept it until you are ready to set it up. Days turn into weeks, weeks into months. And we do have guys who have had link trades sit waiting links for weeks. Its just not fair or acceptable.

If it's a real job or career for webmasters, they will treat it as such. Waiting a few weeks for a link to be added is just not acceptable. Its been agreed to, both sides need to accommodate that agreement once they make it.

[whoops]

I dont know why you guys making such a big thing out of this. 1 week for a link back should be more than ok. SEO takes time. Im running link campaigns as a SEO for big companies and when i book and pay a link 30 days is more or less normal until i get a linkback.

1. there is a google sandbox effect a cache which needs weeks until a linkvote counts
2. a link is like a good wine, the link has to age. No one cares if a links is not up in one week in cases of SEO.
3. people who are sending me messages "where is my linkback" after 1 or 2 days are noobs. As an adult webmaster we have lot of other things to take care of. A linkback in one week should be acceptable for everyone.

How long SEO takes to come into effect isn't the point, point is no one wants to sit around waiting for you to spend 10 seconds to put a link up.

[vrocks]

Even in a place this large you begin to "know" people...

If incognito, relentless, etc ask for a link I put it up immediately knowing they will do the same.

If Rickdelicious (sp?), etc ask I usually wait for them since I know they will take a week or more and I can put theirs up usually within hours of them putting up mine.

If Charlotte asks I usually do 1/2 then wait and they come back and do them all within days to a week and then I do the other half...

If I don't know you I will usually do several links and then wait to see what you do. If nothing happens for 2 weeks I leave a message that I removed my links because I'm getting tired of waiting, however, I will put them right back up within hours of when you do so yourself as I am on several times a day.

[jaxinvt]

It's really not rocket science. We are all here looking for links. Period. If you accept a trade, put it up. 72 hrs for the lock is fine. I usually place the link as I accept the trade.

[Skydude]

I've got a few that do this. I try really hard to be on top of it and prompt about getting the links posted, but there's been a few that I have had to remove because after two or more months and a couple of courtesy emails, some respond and say they'll do it, but another month goes by and they do not finish the trades, and some don't bother to even respond. I always try to get them done within a day or and the only exceptions I've had was if I were out of town, and I still sent a message to the trade partner to notify them of the delay.
I would be happy to see some kind of program in place to police this issue. I read where someone mentioned about a 72 hour window to complete the trades, I might suggest some kind of extension option where if someone is not able to complete the trades within the 72 hours, they can click the option and get something like another 72 hours or whatever time they need in a reasonable timely manner. This should be a one time option to be able to use though.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[bhunter]

Psssst - The key is to lock the interface when they fail to add links. After 72 hours if they haven't added links for an agreed trade, they shouldn't be able to use LS for anything else until those links get set up completely.

+1

i got 9 trades in the setup, that i'm waiting for the other side to add my link.

[wquest]

frankly, i dont login here every single day, and i take care of the tasks in here as i see fit. there is a lot of spam on here and just plain crappy requests to pick through, so i dont consider it the highlight of my day. its only slightly better then thunderball.

if people would keep trades a big cleaner, maybe people would react to them a bit sooner.... oh and using your brain to ask for FAIR trades instaed of just trying to rape peoples PR or throwing shit against the wall to see what stick, might help too.

[jdoughs]

frankly, i dont login here every single day, and i take care of the tasks in here as i see fit. there is a lot of spam on here and just plain crappy requests to pick through, so i dont consider it the highlight of my day. its only slightly better then thunderball.

if people would keep trades a big cleaner, maybe people would react to them a bit sooner.... oh and using your brain to ask for FAIR trades instaed of just trying to rape peoples PR or throwing shit against the wall to see what stick, might help too.

Let's try to stay on point here. The site as a whole has a 1/3rd to 1/2 Request to Active Trades ratio so in reality, the "lots of spam and crappy requests" is REALLY a lot less then implied. But to say that a third to half of all requests turn to active trades is hard to take a piss at, so I understand the exaggerations.

If 33%-50% of requests are turning into Active Trades, that includes spam, improper niche, newbies, different language, fools, etc. The ratio of quality requests to acceptable requests is high enough to show that it is not mostly spam or crappy requests.

This is a community tool, you get what you put in, it's free, if it's not worth your time to check it daily, don't. It takes minutes to see who you should and shouldn't trade with, if you're getting spammed, report them and block them.

[alexweb]

First I have to apologise for not handling link requests for some time but I had some serious personal issues. Sorry guys! I will get on it immediately!

About this question. I have nothing against freezing account until requests are answered. It sounds fair and maybe it will make people answer more quickly.