This is what you get for spamming

[mcfester]

I had some sites down for a week or so and lost quite a good number of links so I decided to spam more links to keep my incoming domain count up, I thought by using domain anchors only and no keywords I'd be ok with spammy site-wide links and google wouldn't penalise me for any keywords, how wrong I was...

After just six days of spamming WHACK!

When the impressions are rising is when I was losing trades, about 100 over 2 weeks, makes you wonder, is no links better than any links? One thing is for sure, no links is better than spammy links, I guess my days of spamming are over

[vrocks]

Link quality plays a huge factor. Also adding so many links at once is not good. I have some sites that only have smammy links... but they received them years ago... I decided to test getting some of them removed and using disavow for those I couldn't get to remove them. In the end the sites either did moderately better, not as well in moderate fashion yet again or didn't change at all.

It leads me to wonder if when the links are placed is big on how it effects you. So if you were around for 2005 and you and a lot of other big sites in your niche shared links, I think it weighs a lot less than if you just added those same links in the past week.

So to keep old school people from being hurt by new school methods of looking for link spam I truly believe there is a progressive scale associated with link age.

But then I also don't know what kind of links you lost in your particular situation and how much the loss of those links played into your situation. It could be those links lost were half of your problem and the links you added were the other half.

Also... keep in mind that when Jdoughs built this site he didn't do it as a spammy place... He had this in mind:

Find a ---\
good set of ----> Send to some blog you created with good content and other real links -> send to your money sites.
links -----/

What I often see here is people creating a white label cam site... then they get links from 400 sites here into it. It does 100 - 500 people a day in traffic.

What I also see here from the guys that know what they are doing:

5000 links -> review sites -> blog sites -> tumblr -> etc -> etc -> white label cam site

So the really shitty links aren't directly into their money site. Those guys hit 5000 - 10000 users a day...

Translation:

100 - 500 a day = 2 sales a week? Some weeks none. Some weeks more than usual.

5000 - 10000 a day = 2 sales a day. Some days none, many days more than 2.

One is a hobby and the other is a business.

Whenever I see somebody talk shit about linkspun they are always the first example... Prior to Penguin/Panda they did 2 sales a day with that linking scheme... now they are not and its linkspun's fault! Well, no it isn't. It is your fault for being that lazy and uninspired. You should have read one of the many tutorials Jdoughs has lying around here on link building. He forecast the Google penalties happening 2 years before they happened.

[mcfester]

I'm not saying its linkspun's fault, not at all, I knew exactly what I was doing, as the title says "this is what u get for spamming", which is what I did, got a load of spammy footer/site-wide links by accepting every trade without checking. Totally my fault, I knew I was taking a chance but gambled on not using any keywords, FAIL
I posted this partly as a laugh at myself, for others to see and not do the same, and hopefully for some users to realise that the sites they offer for trades are useless, and maybe they'll tidy their sites up as I am trying to do with mine, making every link single page with no footers.

Anyways, most links have been removed already, wonder how long if/when it bumps back, I was surprised it got whacked so quick, six days, it used to take months to see changes. I hope its not a combination of losing the other links. I've also dropped nearly every site-wide or footer links, will be interesting to see what happens.

I understand what you mean with the 5000 links etc, I'm slowly getting a three tier pyramid built, taking things real easy with this though as I might use it for selling links later.

Btw, I'm the hobby guy, I wouldn't be doing this shit if I relied on this as a livelyhood. I've only got the one site that gets decent traffic so I have to test on that

[vrocks]

Oh, I wasn't saying you were deriding LinkSpun. I know your current status in the industry and I know that you have realistic expectations.


I am more or less talking about people that came into the industry in 2010, used LinkSpun to get their sites some decent traffic (the wrong way, and it still worked) and then when Google bitch slapped them they complained that LS was killing them.

These people got their extra lunch money from LS and then bitch because the rules changed and they never thought to educate themselves.

[vrocks]

I also looked into your particular problem. Did you buy or request somebody to spam wiki's with your links around August 13th?

http://www.agri.kmitl.ac.th/wiki/index. ... ntable=yes

You have lots of links like that created around that time... or found by google around that time.

You might have been the recipient of negative SEO from somebody that saw you as competition... Around that time frame I thought I remembered you responding to somebody (possibly at GFY) about Playboy and how you were pulling in decent cash with them... On GFY I know if you put up a site one of the 1000's of trolls will throw $5 at somebody on Fiverr and get your some negative SEO just for the fuck of it.

But I also see you made 100's of requests for links in October... That was brain dead... BAD!

I would go through and delete the requests not responded to and then go and check each with a fine tooth comb... then ask for takedowns on those you don't want... if they don't respond then use the disavow tool... You could even tell Google that somebody negative seo'd you and that is why you are asking for so many links at once... makes you look sexy.

[Hincapie]

I would go through and delete the requests not responded to and then go and check each with a fine tooth comb... then ask for takedowns on those you don't want... if they don't respond then use the disavow tool... You could even tell Google that somebody negative seo'd you and that is why you are asking for so many links at once... makes you look sexy.

I´d totally hire you to clean up for me

...but, is there a way to email the users in red - ie get an email to them despite having been inactive for too long or deleted their accounts? Got quite a few trades like that where I cant find any contact for them.

[mcfester]

I also looked into your particular problem. Did you buy or request somebody to spam wiki's with your links around August 13th?

http://www.agri.kmitl.ac.th/wiki/index. ... ntable=yes

You have lots of links like that created around that time... or found by google around that time.

You might have been the recipient of negative SEO from somebody that saw you as competition... Around that time frame I thought I remembered you responding to somebody (possibly at GFY) about Playboy and how you were pulling in decent cash with them... On GFY I know if you put up a site one of the 1000's of trolls will throw $5 at somebody on Fiverr and get your some negative SEO just for the fuck of it.

But I also see you made 100's of requests for links in October... That was brain dead... BAD!

I would go through and delete the requests not responded to and then go and check each with a fine tooth comb... then ask for takedowns on those you don't want... if they don't respond then use the disavow tool... You could even tell Google that somebody negative seo'd you and that is why you are asking for so many links at once... makes you look sexy.

I'm sexy enough thanks

Yeah I was doing some quality Web2.0 links on Fiverr that did some damage, that link you showed isn't in my disavow list and I can't find it in any reports from the links I got from Fiverr, what tool did you use to find that? I stopped with Fiverr around June so hope its not some asshole from GFY, I tried to sell primebreasts there in September I think. I've never really had any serious traffic drops that I couldn't explain, its always been something I've done and thought afterwards "yes that'll fuck my site up"
But the disavow tool seems to take care of most of the damage I do myself, after using it and seeing big increase in GWT they send an email saying "Big traffic increase for top url" and explain that something I've done recently has been good for my site, which is always heart warming to receive. Its the "Big traffic drop for top url" emails I don't like getting haha.

Funny story about Fiverr, I was ranking number 3 for Playboy Blog, I'd never targeted this keyword or url, the blog page wasn't the homepage so it had zero links going to it. So I thought yeah, get some quality web2.0 links for a fiver, and rank number one lol. So what the idiot from Fiverr did, was make 50 web2.0 pages linking to my blog page with Playboy Blog as the page title and the anchor text, then link to them web2.0s with thousands of wikis and other shit, all with playboy blog as title and anchors. So within a week there was about 10 of these web2.0s in the top 20 serps and my page was de-indexed, one of them was in the top 5 for weeks lol. Fuckin Fiverr

The October requests was me spamming here, yes, brain dead lol.

I've already deleted all the requests for primebreasts and removed links, a lot have been stopped already, GWT has stopped dropping now and is a steady 600 impressions from 5.5k. Just gotta wait now to see if it bounces back.

What you said ealier about old school links, I think they was devalued gradually with each Penguin update, one of the updates did mention porn sites as one of its target critirea. So the links still count but how much depends on the quality of the link.
I don't think old links will give a penality, but its obvious after my spamming exercise that shit quality new links will give a penalty.

What about my link bait sites? I've never properly used them to link to my own money sites, apart from linking them all together, but now I've got them spread over five C class IP's so I wanna start using them properly with handwritten blog posts linking to my money sites. I figure if I've got 30 domains and I target 10 keywords thats 300 decent links to my money site.
Is it safe to get many low quality links to the bait sites, will this strengthen the domains and make the links better quality or will spammy links to them devalue the link juice passed on?

Cheers for the helpful advice

[vrocks]

Stop doing low quality altogether... they never help...

Really take a look at the 2.0 Playboy blog and how that worked out... and try to see where you can do something like that, but have it turn out better for you instead of worse... As in don't make 50 sites... do 5... and it seems Google sees 2.0 links differently. It doesn't matter that they are nofollow... also in 2.0 it doesn't even have to be a link... in fact.. you don't even have to mention your domain... you mention you brand.

Google notices 2.0 mentions a lot... Google is now all about finding trends... the days of having a solid footing in their index are going, going, gone. Now it will be more about having something that Google sees a trend in. If some new image blogging service came out and it got used by 80% of the people and people negatively mentioned tumblr.com Google would very quickly replace... ahem.. Myspace... with Facebook...

So when you do 2.0 for your stuff don't think the way you used to...

Don't focus on links... Focus on your BRAND!

Get a twitter account for the site.... a Facebook page (Rated- PG)... a tumblr... blah, blah... you just might find there are a lot of guys on twitter and tumblr that are titillated to find you.

[mcfester]

Ok boss, I'll put that into action.
Cheers.

[vrocks]

And another thing... All of the above mentioned sites have their own built in traffic.

People can and will search twitter, tumblr, facebook, etc for big tits, playboy pics, [model name], etc... and your tweets, tumblr posts, and facebook page will send them to your site.

On your site you can have a popup after the first click that asks them to like you on something... and can be closed which will cookie them so they never see it again... until 3 months when you set it to bother them again...

When Google sees you getting mentions it thinks you are popular and moves you up in the search.

[mcfester]

I was using addthis for all that stuff but got rid of it cos of all the crap its loads, it was causing page speed scores to drop.
Definately need something for likes, shares and tweets though.